Curse

Jeydra · Jun 14, 2011, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Currently they are Kamadan, Kaineng Center and Lion's Arch / Boreal Station.

Problem is in Kamadan you can only have 4 players in the party, while in Kaineng you can have 8 and LA 6. Mapping with heroes is slightly annoying, because you need to reform your party after every pivot. I realize one can always pivot via Embark Beach, but travelling directly is just faster. I don't usually pivot via Boreal Station either because I want to stop by Lion's Arch and see who's buying and selling there.

Suggestion: change pivot points Lion's Arch -> Droknar's Forge and Kamadan -> Sunspear Sanctuary (or Kodash Bazaar, or similar). You can find the Rune Traders and Material traders there too, so no harm done.

FoxBat · Jun 14, 2011, 02:17 AM // 02:17

The existing points can't be changed because it would mess up port access for new players. E.G. new prophecies toon just reaches lion's arch and travels to kaineng, how are they going to travel back to droknar's forge?

Embark beach shows they can clearly add NEW points however, and there's plenty of space there in that list for expansions that are never coming out. One 8-player point for tyria and elona would be welcome. I also hit the battle isles enough that boreal station would be nice. Still this is unlikely to change the trade hubs which are established partly due to early access, you're going to have to lose those heroes to trade in LA and kamadan.

Del · Jun 14, 2011, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Seriously? You want this changed because you're too lazy to add heroes over again?

/notsigned

Shayne Hawke · Jun 14, 2011, 03:18 AM // 03:18

As explained above, it's unlikely that the points could be changed, but I wouldn't object to adding a new station for Tyria and Elona that each allow for eight player parties.

Instead of Droknar's Forge, I would suggest using Temple of the Ages, for its popularity and proximity to Lion's Arch. Sunspear Sanctuary for Elona is fine.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 14, 2011, 04:33 AM // 04:33

would have been nice to have the points at the same 'points' in the chapters, but its kinda too late now to fix (they ditched the whole thing when they made kamadan the hub...)

KotCR · Jun 14, 2011, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Yeah, this annoys me too, but as mentioned it's probably too late to change it now. Would just add alot of confusion and the tradeoff wouldn't be worth it.

It's only moving to Nightfall that's the problem really anyway though, seems you can just move on over to Boreal Station for any location in Tyria.
It's just a pity that the Nightfall pivot happens to be the one with the smallest party size, too...

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 14, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13

/not signed. Re-forming a party isn't that hard to do.

epervier · Jun 14, 2011, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I'm against any idea to change the ports of call (Lion's Arch, Kaineng Center, Kamadan) as they are now.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

As explained above, it's unlikely that the points could be changed, but I wouldn't object to adding a new station for Tyria and Elona that each allow for eight player parties.

Instead of Droknar's Forge, I would suggest using Temple of the Ages, for its popularity and proximity to Lion's Arch. Sunspear Sanctuary for Elona is fine.

I could like this idea if we add Eye of the North outpost to the list. That way any character is just a step away from their hall of monuments.

the one you love to hate · Jun 14, 2011, 08:39 PM // 20:39

/not signed... adding a larger party area to tyria would only mess with the natural flow of the game. it would ruin the vanquish difficulties. i am not for making the game any easier. it is already a push-over. i do think that elona could be changed though, as kamadan is such an early acquisition. both lion's arch and kaining center take a good portion of quests and missions to progress to naturally. so in essence if they were to stick to this method in elona we would get around sunspear sanctuary.

caballo_oscuro · Jun 14, 2011, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Erm... Embark beach....... now go away

Lupu · Jun 15, 2011, 11:27 AM // 11:27

It annoys me a little to have to add back heros when I'm playing alone, but not as much as having to add back my hubby hehe. We like to take 3 heros each and sometimes one will get left behind when mapping around like you usually do when solo :P It's no big deal but rather funny sometimes.

"Where did you go?"
"What do you mean where did I go? Where did you go?"
"I'm still here?"
"Oh..."

It would be nice to be able to choose your own ports after completing the required quests to travel to other continents. I'd prefer Maatu Keep over Kaineng actually because it's smaller... but it's not a harbor.

Also what I really want is huge picture buttons of the travel citys when you click on the boat. I'm clumsy and mis click quite often

Rushin Roulette · Jun 15, 2011, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by the one you love to hate

/not signed... adding a larger party area to tyria would only mess with the natural flow of the game. it would ruin the vanquish difficulties. i am not for making the game any easier. it is already a push-over. i do think that elona could be changed though, as kamadan is such an early acquisition. both lion's arch and kaining center take a good portion of quests and missions to progress to naturally. so in essence if they were to stick to this method in elona we would get around sunspear sanctuary.

Ummm... You have hear of the Temple of Ages havent you? It is bang smack in the middle of Kryta which is a 6 man area.

Apart from that your point has absolutely nothing to do with what the OP has posted. You might want to read threads before you post in them.

Back OT:

I dont agree with the points. It is a one button press to remove any Heroes in your party. Once you get to the new area, you can add the correct heroes you need / want (not every area needs the same heroes to complete, so chances are that you have teh wrong heroes anyways if you keep the old ones in your party)

Dewshine Wildclaw · Jun 15, 2011, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Aside from telling you that you are lazy and all that the others already said... theres a reason it is is ship thats the icon... what kaineng, kamadan and la got in common is they all have harbors (granted droks actually is somewhat close to water also) so to change them to anything inland would need a new explanation on how the traveling between continents are done (new travel icon and moving it?)

But back to calling you lazy (sorry I do kinda understand that this anoys you a little, but it really isn't that big a deal) and saying theres not really a good reason to implement this idea and lastly /notsigned

Xiner · Jun 15, 2011, 03:06 PM // 15:06

I find it rather annoying too.. Everytime I travel from Cantha to Tyria or Kamadan a few heroes are kicked. This has nothing to do with being lazy, it's just annoying.

IMO it would be wrong to change the cities etc, so to that point I wont agree. But I believe it's possible to fix the heroes being kicked. Maybe a saved hero template, just like skills? So you instantly add the right heroes to your choice. And if there is no place for 7 heroes, the ones below are kicked. Please don't come rage at me that I'm lazy or have the most stupid idea ever, it's just a suggestion.

Urcscumug · Jun 15, 2011, 03:09 PM // 15:09

You wouldn't get to use the alternative port until you reach it at least once on that character, or until you have completed a certain quest. Pretty much the way it works for the current ports. Once you've done that, the outpost starts appearing in the boat list. Not before! It sounds pretty simple and I'd like it a lot if they did this.

In picking new ports some requirements should be considered:
* party size 8
* fairly large grounds, if they're going to become a hub of activity
* unlocked easily immediately after a character gains access to the original port for the campaign
* [optional] full range of NPC services (not many outposts have that)
* [optional] access to the sea (it will look really silly, arriving to a landlocked outpost by "boat")

If the last two requirements are ignored then ToA, Sunspear Sanctuary and EotN are indeed the most appropriate choices.

@Rushin Roulette: I can give you another scenario where this would be useful. You're in GH, you plan a FoW/UW run, and when you're ready to go you remember that the party leader doesn't have Zin Ku Corridor. You're either forced to go Kaineng Center -> Boreal Station -> ToA or you have to make everybody travel on their own and re-make the party in ToA or Chantry.

It's nothing major, but it sure is annoying. Small things like this add up. Why not fix them if it's possible?

/signed

PS: I've always wondered, does ANet really look at these threads or we're just talking amongst ourselves? Has anything proposed here ever been implemented?

Dewshine Wildclaw · Jun 15, 2011, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Xiner

I find it rather annoying too.. Everytime I travel from Cantha to Tyria or Kamadan a few heroes are kicked. This has nothing to do with being lazy, it's just annoying.

IMO it would be wrong to change the cities etc, so to that point I wont agree. But I believe it's possible to fix the heroes being kicked. Maybe a saved hero template, just like skills? So you instantly add the right heroes to your choice. And if there is no place for 7 heroes, the ones below are kicked. Please don't come rage at me that I'm lazy or have the most stupid idea ever, it's just a suggestion.

Actually I kinda like your idea as a different solution, I could agree to that.
And I appologize for using the lazy comment, it was pure lack of better way to say why I was against the ops idea.

Having a hero template saved or something like it would actually be nice. Not a stupid idea at all imo

the one you love to hate · Jun 15, 2011, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Apart from that your point has absolutely nothing to do with what the OP has posted. You might want to read threads before you post in them.

actually everything i say has to do with the OP. he is complaining about party size and talking about remapping the towns used to harbor the different campains... um i think i hit it right on...

you might wanna not be such a troll and start reading all the replies in the thread before you just go off at the mouth.

Kanyatta · Jun 15, 2011, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Embark Beach with all of the Traveler NPC's solves this problem.

Besides, if this were implemented, it would really piss me off personally. I like being able to create PvE NF characters and within an hour of playtime have all 3 continents unlocked so I can get right to skill capping to get characters PvP-ready.

MithranArkanere · Jun 15, 2011, 10:16 PM // 22:16

I'd rather see the party sizes increased than the town ports moved forward, at least for Lion's Arch
I always though that level 20 and parties of 8 should have started from Lion's Arch Onward.

For anything else, there's Embark Beach.

jazilla · Jun 15, 2011, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I'd rather see the party sizes increased than the town ports moved forward, at least for Lion's Arch
I always though that level 20 and parties of 8 should have started from Lion's Arch Onward.

For anything else, there's Embark Beach.

I would like 8 player parties in LA for sure. Not having an 8 player hub(ship travel between game maps) in Nightfall was a design gaffe in my opinion. Ship map point to a 4 player hub in the third game in the series? Who signed off on that?